Hi Eva,
Thanks for your previous answer. I have my Interpol appointment booked in Trujillo and hope it goes well. I had 2 questions regarding the translation of the police certificate from my country (UK - ACRO), and the other question about the DNI of my wife.
1. Who exactly do I need to get to translate my police certificate? My Apostille has Castellano on it already, do I still need to translate it? The ministry's list of approved official translators have not replied to our emails and I cannot wait longer; if not them, who can I contract?
2. It says the DNI of my wife needs to be updated (makes sense). We just moved so she needs to update it anyway, and she hasn't updated since we married because she is waiting for tramites needed to be able to register the marriage. Until she does this she cannot change her DNI. The Reniec and other bodies are not providing her with these tramites needed to register the marriage, so she cannot do this and *may* not be able to do this before my tourist visa deadline. Other than the DNI / marriage registration part, I will have everything ready (once I have the Interpol certificate done). How do I get past this 'updated and in date DNI' problem when she cannot get it changed within that time frame and due to the Peruvian government not getting her tramites done?
Is there another options, or can I just submit my application with her pre marriage / previous address DNI? I am confused on how necessary this is - I don't think we'll be able to get it done in time (not for lack of trying).
What are your thoughts about this? I would be grateful for your time and advice here!
Kailan
- This commment is unpublished.@Kailan Hello Kailain,
Apostille and translationAn Apostille only verifies the legitimacy, genuineness, and origin of a document, so, certifies that this document is real and was issued according to the regulations of the Hague Apostille Convention in the issuing country. And even though the labels of the Apostille might be as well in Spanish, the document itself still is in English. Therefore, it must be translated into Spanish. Peruvian regulations require that this translation must be done in Peru. So, even if your police check was an “international” document with labels in different languages as common the Europe, Peru would still request a translation into Spanish in Peru.
I don’t know why no translator answers, but you can as well choose any other translator doing official translations (traducciones juradas). To avoid any further complications, I highly recommend using a traductor jurado. I’m not sure if you want to have the translation done in Trujillo or in Lima. In Lima, you could try, for example, traductores.pe or limac.com.pe or search on the website of the Colegio de Traductores.
DNI and marriage certificate
Honestly, I’m confused. Your wife “hasn’t updated [her DNI] since we married”. So, did she register your marriage at the Peruvian consulate and change her DNI after you married or not? Does her DNI under “estado civil” still shows “soltera” (or divorciada, viuda) or “casada”?
In case your marriage was already registered at a Peruvian consulate, then your wife’s DNI should show “casada”. No need to register your marriage again at Reniec in Peru, just the change of address is necessary. But then you need to get a certified copy of your marriage certificate either from the consulate where she registered your marriage or, as you are already in Peru, from the Peruvian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.In case your marriage wasn’t registered at any Peruvian authority, your wife’s DNI should still show “soltera” (or divorciada, viuda) and you only have your UK marriage certificate. Then I wonder for what tramites she is waiting that are needed to register your marriage? There are no tramites to do before she can register your marriage (at least if she wasn’t married before and is so still after Peruvian law, but then you might have bigger problems that won’t be resolved within a few weeks). Anyway, usually the only things she needs to register your marriage at Reniec in Peru, are the application form, your UK marriage certificate with Apostille and official translation done in Peru, her DNI and proof when she entered Peru, as there is no entry stamp anymore, she can simply print out her TAM virtual showing when she entered Peru (she only has 90 days for a simplified registration of the marriage celebrated abroad at Reniec, see attached picture).So, where is the problem? Why does “Reniec and other bodies” - which other bodies, no one else involved when you want to register your marriage - denies registering your marriage. As Peruvian your wife has the right to get her marriage celebrated abroad registered; of course, she must fulfill the requirements.
So, it seems to me that there must be something else delaying the process and the change of address then is the least of your problems.
DNI updated or not, the biggest issue I see at the moment is something different. The most important required document to apply for a family visa for those who are married to a Peruvian, is the Peruvian (!!!) marriage certificate. When your wife doesn’t get Reniec to register your UK marriage, you have no basis to apply for your visa. Your UK marriage certificate will not be accepted. So, no matter what you / your wife do, priority number 1 is getting your marriage registered now, otherwise no family visa for you.
Application for your family without required documents
With this being said, officially you need to upload all required documents on the Migraciones Agencia Digital when you submit your application. The fields where you upload the documents are mandatory and you can’t continue and finish the application without having uploaded all documents.
However, there is a “workaround”, which is explained in detail above in the article under the last point Can I apply for a family visa if I don't have all the required documents? So best read it first to understand what I write below.
So, if you don’t have sorted out your wife’s DNI and your Peruvian marriage certificate and must apply while you are still legal in the country, when you are on the 2nd page of the family visa application just enter the DNI number of your wife in the corresponding field and for the moment don’t worry about the wrong estado civil and wrong address (when she gets a new DNI the number will be the same). And under the Documento de vincular tab upload your translated UK marriage certificate with Apostille. You could add on the PDF that you are in the process of registering your marriage with Reniec (might want to add the tramite number) and are waiting that the Peruvian marriage certificate is issued. Then continue as normal with the application as described above in our guide.When you are going that route, I can’t stress enough that you must have a plan or best have already started to get the Reniec mess sorted out. No-one can tell you how quickly Migraciones checks your application. It can be a few weeks or many months. But if your application is evaluated, they will, of course, see that your wife’s DNI isn’t in order, and that you haven’t uploaded your Peruvian marriage certificate. They will then send you a notification requesting that you must upload the correct documents within 5 days. If you don’t do it, your application can be canceled. Anyway, it's all explained above.GreetingsEva
- This commment is unpublished.@Sunflower Hi,To clarify, we are waiting on a trámite which is proof that she hasn’t already registered it at a consulado. The reniec when she went to register the certificate (with the proof of immigration entry status) was denied on the grounds she ALSO needs a proof of not having previously been registered at a consulate.She did this about 25 working days ago and they haven’t replied. The Reniec are telling her she cannot register it until she gets this further check, and they are simply ignoring her (despite having applied more than the 15-20 working day promise they gave for turnaround).So, the Reniec is denying it being registered and the people at RREE are not replying in giving her the trámite. We cannot contact RREE, and the Reniec are saying they need that before we can register.The marriage was held in Denmark; when we went, they don’t have a Peruvian consulate in the country that is open; the closest one being Sweden which wasn’t open when we were there.We have like 10-20 days until the 90 days for the marriage certificate is reached, and the same amount of time before my tourist visa is up. She needs this registered in order to change her DNI.Can you give me further advice on how we can proceed? The system is ridiculous as we have no way of contacting. She’s made further requests for the check as there has been no response - this has been unfulfilled too.Final clarity: we did a video call with the digital migrations agency and they repeated the same as the Reniec that this is necessary, so if we can’t get it we simply can’t register it and therefore I can’t apply for my visa?I’m stressing,Kailan
- This commment is unpublished.@KailanOk. First of take a deep breath and relax. Things are slowly getting clearer.I assume Reniec wants to have a Constancia de No Inscripción, which is issued by the Peruvian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (RREE). According to the RREE website it takes 15-20 días hábiles aproximamente until you get notified by e-mail and then can download the document.Just as a side note: One thing to learn, the "plazo" you are told and even is set by higher up authorities never is correct. The evaluation and approval process of a residence visa application, for example, is supposed to only take 30 working days, people are often waiting 3 or 4 months or even longer. So, expect that you have to wait another week or two or three until you get the document.Anyway you could try to call the RREE call center under 204-3337 Opcion 2 Atencion de consultas e informacion de estado de tramite (hope the number is still correct). Hopefully you can reach someone, can explain your situation and get help.Then, usually this document is not required for the registration of a marriage celebrated abroad. I just checked the government website and the Reniec website to double check. Do you have any idea why Reniec is giving you such a hard time? That's very unusual. As described above your wife should only need her DNI, the marriage certificate with Apostille and translation and proof when she entered the country. I had a few Peruvian/foreigner couples over the past months who registered their marriage with just these documents within a week or two at Reniec. No problems.Have you tried it at another Reniec office? Or you could ask at Reniec to at least accept your application for registering the marriage before the 90 days are up (show them the application number for the Constancia de No Inscripcion with the date) and hope that they accept the application and are willing to help.Honestly, I'm not sure, what happens when your wife doesn't register the marriage within the 90 days. Many, many years ago there was another option in such cases called Inscripcion extraordinaria. With all the changes over the past few years, I don't know, if this is still the same. Nevertheless, that is something you could ask at Reniec. As your wife has the right to get her marriage registered there must be a way to do so even after the 90 days deadline is up.And yes, without a Peruvian marriage certificate, no family visa for you. As said before, you must get Reniec to register your marriage. But as explained as well, you could apply for the visa without having your marriage certificate, which most probably will give you another month or two or even three until Migraciones evaluates your visa application and asks you to submit it. That could be enough time to sort out RREE and Reniec.And the last option could be a lawyer, but usually, if he hasn't good contacts to the Registro Civil Consular at RREE and Reniec, you might waste money for nothing. And he must be quick.And one last recommendation: always be nice and friendly with anyone who have to deal with at any authority in Peru. Freaking out or being unfriendly make the situation worse. Ask for help, for solutions, for ways to make it work.All the bestEva
- This commment is unpublished.@Sunflower Hey,Super grateful to be receiving your advice (first of all). So, the update is that after you made things clear in the advice you gave in your last response, our action plan is to storm the Reniec guns blazing (with a king and nice attitude but assertive to get the task completed) tomorrow, and if they still say she needs this check that she hasn't previously registered it in the consulate ON TOP OF the immigration record (which we already have), then we will try another Reniec branch in a different district.If they stick to her needing that while the RREE are not responding to her multiple requests to get the added check received, I am not sure how we proceed. I will respond to this feed once we know more, so anyone else facing the same horror can gain insight into this in the future.Interpol done yesterday in Trujillo; all went smoothly - just a long 5 hour wait in total to get everything done.Thanks; will update once we know more.Kailan
- This commment is unpublished.@KailanGood plan !!!Probably print out (or show them on your phone) the "requisitos" for registering a marriage celebrated abroad from the government website and the infograph (I posted above) which was published a few months ago on the Reniec Facebook page. Might help to convince them that their Constancia de No Inscripción is usually not required and might get them to be a bit more cooperative and willing to help.Really hope that everything works out.All the bestEvaP.S. And yes, please share what's going on